This little rant came out of a discussion about censorship on DeviantArt. I’ve seen a lot of artists on the site complaining about how DA mods are censorship Nazis or they don’t censor enough. I realized that in my 4 years of posting on DA I haven’t had a thing deleted. I only know of one person, from my circle of friends, that had something deleted. This doesn’t include stolen or traced art. For the most part we are a pretty tame community. Of course there are those that draw more pornographic images but they are smart enough to leave them off DA.
So this leads me to the question: Why do so many artists on DA hate the Pregnancy/inflation community*? What have we done to infuriate them so much?
Please do not respond to or flame these links some of them are rather old. DA wouldn’t let me search the forums for anything less than 2 years old.
From personal experiences on DA I could quickly point out several comics and at least 2 names that always appear when the discussion pops up. In fact I think I shall. The most vocal person you will run across is MangaPunksai.
I’ve had personal run-ins with her. She even has so much hate for me that she made me an Encyclopedia Dramatica page. (It was deleted for lack of lulz.) She’s best known for this comic, which gets passed around every time someone brings up Inflation, Fat, or pregnancy art. She used to be a mod and stated several times if she had her way we would be banned from DA. But by her own admitting we don’t do anything against the rules. To her it’s all about men objectifying women and any woman into it is just trying to get attention. She believes that all Expansion art is based in torture. She refuses to acknowledge that the females depicted are, in fact, fantasies or that most men wouldn’t want an immovable lard/baby ball for a wife.
As far as our art being fantasies, I asked several people if they would want a massively pregnant wife like many people draw. The resounding answer was no. They are aware of the health problems for both the mother and children. Or some just plain don’t want kids but like to look. Most pregnancy art and literature is pure fantasy. It ranges from simple lack of negative effects like not gaining weight anywhere else to the super pregnancies where the woman can somehow still walk.
I realize that guys are fapping to much of the art on DA and that many artists draw for that reason. But most, if not all, of the artists I’m acquainted with do not get off on their own art. They draw it because they like it. It’s a fixation.
Expansion art hate topics have been popping up on DA since they started allowing art other than skins. People seem to think it’s a fad. (I did it first.)That this fetish hasn’t existed before the internet. The internet made sharing of it easier. When the topics come up I usually only want to explain my feelings on the subject so they can form an opinion not based wholly on the here say of the “haters.”
People like Mangapunksai can’t be talked to. They are very set in their opinions and turn anything anyone says into a negative. The factual Venus De Willendorf is dismissed as just a statue. If you say you don’t draw porn they say someone faps to it so it is porn. (By that definition socks are porn to some foot fetishists.) What we draw is not, nor never will be art. After a while you get tired of dealing with them.
I want to be petty and claim Mangapunksai is a man hating lesbian (she is openly a lesbian). But it is more than that for others. Straight men and woman voice this hatred of it as well. Their hate is probably just as deep and diverse as our love. They hate the image and then try to explain to themselves and others why after wards. Just as we try to put to words why we like what we do.
* I know were a very different things but most people outside our groups lump us in the same category.
November 12th, 2008 at 11:35 am
I think dA hates us because they can. I know that if I had my way and I ruled over dA, I would be removing stuff left and right just because I disliked it. dA, like everything else suffers from the ‘curse of the interwebz’. Instead of people keeping their opinions to themselves, they just say whatever they want because they really can’t be held responsible for it because of anonymity and all that good shit.
November 12th, 2008 at 12:32 pm
The only answer I can think of is that the masses are asses.
Really, we know we’re not realistic. At all. We all know that the majority of pregnant women are not at all like we portray them. We know that pregnant women do not have magical powers. We know that women with supertwin pregnancies usually don’t make it past six months, and etcetera. But we don’t see this kind of whining for self-insertive Harry Potter fanfiction or pretty pictures of dragons. Those aren’t really realistic either, are they?
Now, admittedly, I’m not so huge on inflation or weight gain in the tradition sense. But I’ve never seen a reason to encroach on the rights of others to enjoy it. It’s like every artist must disclaim; if you don’t like it, you don’t have to look at it.
The way I see it, people should be allowed to enjoy what they enjoy within the bounds of legality, and as far as I know, pregnant women are not illegal. God help us if they are.
November 12th, 2008 at 4:48 pm
I’m certain that the internet hasn’t created the pregnancy/inflation fetish, but I’m sure that it’s spawned (Or at least spread) many others, thanks to “Rule 34″.
November 12th, 2008 at 4:58 pm
See, this is the thing that boggles my mind. I draw pregnancy. I also do a little of the weight gain on the side, and the stuffing as well.
It’s been years, and never, not even once, have I received ANY flak over it. The rare times where I come close end up being with very open minded folks who are just initially weirded out.
What is it that I’m doing that’s resulting in no negativity?
November 12th, 2008 at 5:14 pm
To Hidon:
Perhaps the reason why you have gotten no negativity is because the haters somehow either don’t give a shit about your art, you are unknown enough to not grab their attention, or hopefully, they don’t see your art as being as terrible as other people in our community.
November 12th, 2008 at 6:34 pm
The inflation fetish was probably only spawned within the last half of the decade. There really was no stimulus to elicit such an unconventional attraction. However, your arguments for fat fetishism and pregnancy fetishism are well founded. Fat fetishism itself can easily be proven as an ancient standard of beauty. Look at ancient paintings and murals, beautiful women were hefty, ancient artifacts that were used as idols represented fertility goddesses and larger women. Humanity’s evolutionary drive was to mate with the most bountiful, and fertile women, because they were stronger, and more likely to bear young, compared to the scrawny, emaciated women. Which truly was a much healthier vision than today if we sit and think about how many people suffer from malnutrition and eating disorders, compared to if everyone was comfortable with a slightly chubby figure. I’m not talking fetishism towards the morbidly, or unhealthy obese, that of course would be an unhealthy society, just towards the curvy women our ancestors longed for. As much as health groups try to convince people being even a pound overweight is unhealthy, it is very possible to be 50 pounds or more above average and still live a long, fruitful, and enjoyable life. These groups push these images into our minds because society prefers lean, trim women, they want to be able to not only say we don’t like how you look, but it is horribly unhealthy. It’s just sad that people with larger figures, or those with attractions towards them are shunned so much, most of us truly are great people, and have been treated with a great amount of disrespect by those who come across our secrets. The art form as a whole is no more offensive than “normal” erotic artwork, and people need to grow to accept harmless attractions like ours.
November 12th, 2008 at 7:41 pm
Well, most of the people who’re pissed at the DA moderation are the ones that’re either flat-out breaking the rules or testing their boundaries with no statement to back it up… That transcends any sort of fetishism. Those artists are usually weeping and gnashing teeth because their picture of some naked, outrageously expanded, promiscuously posed, glassy-eyed, lubricated sixteen year old with two fingers jammed into her lady bits was taken off for violation.
The mods know what they’re doing (I’m not saying they’re not corrupt, but what sort of large-scale moderation squad ISN’T), they don’t want DeviantArt to be a festering pornhole is all. They rifle though thousands of deviations on a daily basis, in every category, in efforts to clean things up. Considering how seldom we hear respected artists pitch a fit about having their work removed in our circle, the claim that the staff gets their kicks by sniping us in particular doesn’t really hold much water.
The forums just like bitching about us because it’s easy to build up an argument against our ideals (nobody likes fat chicks!), and even easier to get other people to blindly agree because they just don’t like looking at it. But for fuck’s sake, people complain about EVERYTHING on DA at some point, and many topics come up more often than ours. I’m not surprised when I duck into Complaints and see “God damn furries”, “Anime sucks”, “Yaoi is nasty”, “Get this shota off of DA”, so on and so forth. Boo hoo, people are passively bitching about something that doesn’t cater to their personal preference! It’s not like they have any immediate power to stop artists from drawing certain things if they’re not drawing anything deemed illegal by the site.
Well, that is unless you’re drawing kawaii anthro homo children, then you gonna get trolled.
November 16th, 2008 at 7:08 am
I think it honestly comes down to people being hostile against that which they do not understand. They can’t bring themselves to view it the way the community does. Honestly, I think pregnancy is beautiful. Why do you think so many people through art history have objectified it in some way. And, I may be biased, as I am a bit curvy, but those skinny, emaciated girls on the cover of vogue magazine personally do nothing for me. I do not find them the least bit beautiful or real. They might as well be mannequins.
November 24th, 2008 at 1:22 pm
What those idiots (especially Ms. MangaPukSai, who is no better than
Yuhawk on Deviant Art) cannot and WILL not understand that
what we do is surrealism. Kinda shameful that it’s nothing but
a “pot-kettle” argument which is pointless.
And Allanna… you are so right about those models… they may
as well be stick figures.